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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 09:05:49 AM »

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I don't hate gays...

Your opinion and argument to support it might be a bit more acceptable if it wasn't prefaced by the  malicious remark "Bloody queers".   So it's a specious argument, imo. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 10:00:12 AM »

The Political Agenda of homosexuals (which I freely admit would not be inclusive of all gays, just seemingly the more vocal ones at this point in time) It's assumed you're referring to the agenda on the political axis when you're on a politics forum. No need to mince words.

I would argue, the political agenda of homosexuals is more sweeping and aggressive then the simple right to live in peace and conduct their private affairs as they please (which is a completely reasonable right).

I'm just going to stop quoting here, because this is enough to underline my point, which is that you created this incredibly long post, and STILL haven't defined what you believe is the 'sweeping and aggressive homosexual agenda' (political or otherwise).

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This tactic of ideological truncheon swinging is getting old fast. Call me as I am, but make it accurate - raving? Hardly. Homophobic? I haven't expressed any open or thinly veiled fears of homosexuals in any of these posts.

Unless of course, you equate any opposition at all to homosexuality as homophobic? I think even you're reasonable enough to agree that a person can be in opposition to a human activity without necessarily being afraid of it, or as you earlier mentioned - in opposition as an over-compsenation for desire to engage in it. In the vast market of ideas that is Western pluralism, your ideas are going to have to carry more weight to then that to stand the test of even a simple probing argument.

Take a few moments to look 'homophobic' up, as it is not just about 'fear'. You will find it widely defined as an "irrational hatred of homosexuality: an irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of homosexuality, gay and lesbian people, or their culture". And since you still haven't provided us with any insight as to the nature of the 'homosexual agenda', your hatred and disapproval goes down as 'irrational' in my books.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2008, 10:25:57 AM »

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Some people are raised to hate by sad ignorant parents

Since you said, "some people" - I'll assume you don't mean me. And if you do - you can freely say so. In regards to my position, like I've stated before - I don't hate gays, but not hating them does not, and does not have to equate agreement with the lifestyle or agreement that it's beneficial to society.

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Its not about blame or intelectualism its about finding a minority and attacking them because some view them as weak and thus as easy victims.

I completely disagree. At least as far as I am personally concerned. There is, in all arguments legitimate opposition. I'm not entirely certain why the only tactic I encounter here is assaults on the legitimacy of opposition at all when I disagree with your opinions. Part of the pluralism you so willingly defend in this little back and forth over homosexuality is the philosophical acceptance that constructive opposition is legitimate.

So either you're just lazy when it comes to argumentation (and that I understand because I'm guilty of it often) OR you just don't grasp the means to actually debate the issue - I'm not certain.


Those quotes were by Fish a.k.a. David T., who seemingly can get away with calling anyone a racist or anything else if he disagrees with them. Don't expect much insight there.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 03:16:04 PM »

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There is, in all arguments legitimate opposition. I'm not entirely certain why the only tactic I encounter here is assaults on the legitimacy of opposition at all when I disagree with your opinions. Part of the pluralism you so willingly defend in this little back and forth over homosexuality is the philosophical acceptance that constructive opposition is legitimate.

So either you're just lazy when it comes to argumentation (and that I understand because I'm guilty of it often) OR you just don't grasp the means to actually debate the issue - I'm not certain.

unrepentantgael:

Consider this - if you hadn't referred to gay people a "bloody queers" at the very beginning of this Thread, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. And then when you're called on it you got all high and mighty and started slinging out the accusations left and right using overused terms like "political agenda of homosexuals" and "homosexual agendas" in long-winded tirades that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you would make a perfect politician - you talk until you're blue in the face and you don't say a god damn word that actually answers specific questions directed toward you.

Now this Thread was about Rosie O'Donnell possibly coming back to Halifax as part of her gay cruise program and Halifax and the province embracing the idea. I don;t care who said it but anyone who responds to that with "bloody queers" is going to be pounced on. Deal with it. Man up and admit that you chose the wrong approach altogether.

Think you can do that?

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 03:34:17 PM »

Now this Thread was about Rosie O'Donnell possibly coming back to Halifax as part of her gay cruise program and Halifax and the province embracing the idea.

Being reminded of the original point, I have to hand it to the tourist groups recognizing the potential of this market. Stats prove time and time again that gay families have more disposable income, on average, than the general population. Nice to see the province/city doing something progressive and business-friendly.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 05:35:37 PM »

It's called Reaction Formation  Wink



I hear that statement from time to time but have never seens anything to back it up. It seems like an awfully convenient way to redirect a discussion into a personal jibe. Is there some research behind it?

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 01:09:45 AM »

Yeah, I'm gay and of French Canadian ancestry so unrepentantgael has insulted me twice already on these forums.  Roll Eyes

I think I should make some IRA threads and go on about how everybody of Gaelic or Celtic ancestry is a terrorist.  I'll add the caveat that some are not, just like in this thread.  That will be roughly on par with complaining about a few activists and labeling it the "homosexual agenda".

Similarly I can throw in some stuff about how they're all on welfare and contribute nothing to society.

Some of you need to start educating yourselves.  This thread is about the Rosie O'Donnell Cruise, which has got to be one of the most boring and innocuous things ever.

I hope you don't embarrass yourselves in person like this.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 09:12:23 AM »

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Your opinion and argument to support it might be a bit more acceptable if it wasn't prefaced by the  malicious remark "Bloody queers".   So it's a specious argument, imo.

The fact of the matter is that in the minds of many - including me, they are bloody queers. Anyone with any kind of self respect or intellect isn't going to have a liberal HR-friendly version of 'newspeak' shoved down their throats to replace a time tested and evolutionary lexicon simply because a few champagne socialists with weak sensibilities, "took offence".

And I should point out again, you're STILL trying to attack the legitimacy of my argument instead of admitting it's a legitimate thread of thought and countering it. You're living the very blueprint I put forth in an earlier post.

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this is enough to underline my point, which is that you created this incredibly long post, and STILL haven't defined what you believe is the 'sweeping and aggressive homosexual agenda' (political or otherwise).

Only the political is relevant in this context. I would argue that a current of thought with the goal of manufacturing a paradigm shift in Western values (over time), to make sexuality and sexual experience less dependent on gender would be the greater objective of the agenda. Through massive, constant and continual public exhibition of homosexual behaviour and micro-culture, the public will eventually - "warm up" to the idea of homosexuality as a 'sexual preference'. If you couple this with absolutely ridiculous amounts of intimidation and attempts to attack the legitimacy of credible opposition forces, i.e. individuals who disagree that homosexuality is a constructive force in society, and should be an accepted sexual preference - you have an absolute perfect storm of conditions for successful terra-forming of the entire argument to your favour.

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Those quotes were by Fish a.k.a. David T., who seemingly can get away with calling anyone a racist or anything else if he disagrees with them. Don't expect much insight there.

Well that's just the problem. In typical Liberal fashion, they attempt to crush all dissent and debate on critical societal issues that don't suit the well heeled upper middle-class views of their faithful. When a few people actually call them on this, depending entirely on what the issue at hand is: you will get labelled as something extreme (usually 'Nazi' or something of that nature). Keep in mind this is no matter how reasonable or moderate your position is.

It's essentially half assed thought control. Sadly it works on some people.

The 'truth'? They have their agendas, and so do the rest of us. I'm willing to entertain theirs as legitimate, albeit detestible and oppositional. They won't even entertain that anything but their position is acceptable. Fortunately, there are plenty of people who do not accept or bow to this kind of shit.

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Consider this - if you hadn't referred to gay people a "bloody queers" at the very beginning of this Thread, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now

You're not afraid of a little argument with the scary old gael are ya girl?

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And then when you're called on it you got all high and mighty and started slinging out the accusations left and right using overused terms like "political agenda of homosexuals" and "homosexual agendas" in long-winded tirades that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you would make a perfect politician

Marry me.

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Man up and admit that you chose the wrong approach altogether.

No. We're back to square one here unfortunately. I'm comfortable in my opposition to homosexuals, I don't see it as illegitimate or otherwise unacceptable. Those feelings are the colour of your sheets - not mine. I kind of like the swarm anyway.

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Think you can do that?

Somewhat of a leading question.

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Yeah, I'm gay and of French Canadian ancestry so unrepentantgael has insulted me twice already on these forums.

And yet somehow you're still alive?

Proves my point that there is no need to squash and shut down debate to 'protect homosexuals' - this man is a queer and he takes a position in the proverbial firing line of everyone else. His ideas drifting on the merit of them alone, and not who he is.

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think I should make some IRA threads and go on about how everybody of Gaelic or Celtic ancestry is a terrorist

Only the good ones were anyway.

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This thread is about the Rosie O'Donnell Cruise

Yeah, admittedly you're right. I went out of my way to politicize it further then it really was on it's own - and to be honest I don't think anyone is any worse for it.



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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 10:39:56 AM »

Only the political is relevant in this context. I would argue that a current of thought with the goal of manufacturing a paradigm shift in Western values (over time), to make sexuality and sexual experience less dependent on gender would be the greater objective of the agenda. Through massive, constant and continual public exhibition of homosexual behaviour and micro-culture, the public will eventually - "warm up" to the idea of homosexuality as a 'sexual preference'. If you couple this with absolutely ridiculous amounts of intimidation and attempts to attack the legitimacy of credible opposition forces, i.e. individuals who disagree that homosexuality is a constructive force in society, and should be an accepted sexual preference - you have an absolute perfect storm of conditions for successful terra-forming of the entire argument to your favour.

I fail to see how accepting homosexuality as a 'sexual preference' affects your life, or society as a whole, in any meaningful way. Care to elaborate, to show that you do, indeed, have a point?
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 10:43:41 AM »

since when did being Gay become a preference Huh?, I highly doubt a person has a choice.  I did not wake up one morning and say I have made my choice, I choose to like women any more than someone woke up one day and said I think I choose to be gay. Angry  What garbage
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2008, 10:47:30 AM »

since when did being Gay become a preference Huh?, I highly doubt a person has a choice.  I did not wake up one morning and say I have made my choice, I choose to like women any more than someone woke up one day and said I think I choose to be gay. Angry  What garbage

Does that make it genetic then?
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 10:52:51 AM »

since when did being Gay become a preference Huh?, I highly doubt a person has a choice.  I did not wake up one morning and say I have made my choice, I choose to like women any more than someone woke up one day and said I think I choose to be gay. Angry  What garbage

Does that make it genetic then?

I absolutely believe it's genetic. I completely agree with mr. mom - I didn't consciously choose to be hetero, and I don't think gays choose who they are attracted to either.
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 10:56:09 AM »

since when did being Gay become a preference Huh?, I highly doubt a person has a choice.  I did not wake up one morning and say I have made my choice, I choose to like women any more than someone woke up one day and said I think I choose to be gay. Angry  What garbage

Does that make it genetic then?

I believe it does
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 10:57:32 AM »

An interesting proposition.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2008, 11:12:37 AM »

An interesting proposition.

Why do you find it interesting? Humans are not the only species to exhibit homosexual behaviour. It's common to the point of being ubiquitous across all species, so clearly it's not a 'nurture-based' behaviour unique to humans.
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