Sheila Fougere's Campaign for Mayor

[longlonny]

I knew you would help me explain my point!  Metro Transit has barely changed their service levels despite such things as the increased number of shift workers in certain areas, population growth/explosion in some areas, and new commercial areas.  There have been major changes in the business and residential landscape in the past decade, but very little changes in transit.  This equals three things - disgruntled transit riders, too many vehicles on the road, and roads which need repair more often.  Meanwhile, HRM has done virtually nothing under the leadership of Fitzgerald and Kelly.  Time for change.

[GreyEyes]

I knew you would help me explain my point!  Metro Transit has barely changed their service levels despite such things as the increased number of shift workers in certain areas, population growth/explosion in some areas, and new commercial areas.  There have been major changes in the business and residential landscape in the past decade, but very little changes in transit.  This equals three things - disgruntled transit riders, too many vehicles on the road, and roads which need repair more often.  Meanwhile, HRM has done virtually nothing under the leadership of Fitzgerald and Kelly.  Time for change.

I agree with you but I'm stuck on your last point - "time for change". I agree that it is beyond time for change....but would a Mayor Fougere accomplish all that you outline above? Would it even be on her "to do immediately" list?

If you say "yes", how can we get that in writing?

[Be the change]

I knew you would help me explain my point!  Metro Transit has barely changed their service levels despite such things as the increased number of shift workers in certain areas, population growth/explosion in some areas, and new commercial areas.  There have been major changes in the business and residential landscape in the past decade, but very little changes in transit.  This equals three things - disgruntled transit riders, too many vehicles on the road, and roads which need repair more often.  Meanwhile, HRM has done virtually nothing under the leadership of Fitzgerald and Kelly.  Time for change.

I agree with you but I'm stuck on your last point - "time for change". I agree that it is beyond time for change....but would a Mayor Fougere accomplish all that you outline above? Would it even be on her "to do immediately" list?

If you say "yes", how can we get that in writing?

It is in writing on her website.

[GreyEyes]

Cool...I'll have to go copy that for my records. 

[Newperson]

Didn't PK vote against some of these developments he is now taking credit for?

[MacDuff]

Didn't PK vote against some of these developments he is now taking credit for?

Could back that up with some facts and specifics?

[Be the change]

Didn't PK vote against some of these developments he is now taking credit for?

Could back that up with some facts and specifics?

Um, the Twisted Sisters towers for starters.

[kp]

Didn't PK vote against some of these developments he is now taking credit for?

Could back that up with some facts and specifics?

Um, the Twisted Sisters towers for starters.

Yes, the ladies in the seniors homes told PK over tea that they didn't like the idea. So he opposed it.

[MacDuff]

Didn't PK vote against some of these developments he is now taking credit for?

Could back that up with some facts and specifics?

Um, the Twisted Sisters towers for starters.

Yes, the ladies in the seniors homes told PK over tea that they didn't like the idea. So he opposed it.

Is there anywhere on the net where you can view the voting record of councillors and the Mayor? Quoting Tea parties just does not cut it with me.

[Wally]

MACDUFF CHECK hrm WESBITE AND MINUTES

[MacDuff]

MACDUFF CHECK hrm WESBITE AND MINUTES

Why not just say look for a needle in a hay stack. I do not know when things suggested previously took place. If a poster says the Kelly or Fougere voted pro or con, THEY should supply the reference, not make me look through hundreds of pdfs. Most of the PDFs that I have looked at do not include who voted for what. Most just say passed or failed.

On Fougere's web pages she should provide proof of her voting record. Her having not done so, just make me suspicious. I have not been to Kelly's web page. I do not know if he is being as vague, but if he is, then that also is suspicious. 

[Wally]

MACDUFF CHECK hrm WESBITE AND MINUTES

Why not just say look for a needle in a hay stack. I do not know when things suggested previously took place. If a poster says the Kelly or Fougere voted pro or con, THEY should supply the reference, not make me look through hundreds of pdfs. Most of the PDFs that I have looked at do not include who voted for what. Most just say passed or failed.

On Fougere's web pages she should provide proof of her voting record. Her having not done so, just make me suspicious. I have not been to Kelly's web page. I do not know if he is being as vague, but if he is, then that also is suspicious. 

I thought they recorded votes but in a quick check it appears as if that is spotty. 

[Be the change]

MACDUFF CHECK hrm WESBITE AND MINUTES

Why not just say look for a needle in a hay stack. I do not know when things suggested previously took place. If a poster says the Kelly or Fougere voted pro or con, THEY should supply the reference, not make me look through hundreds of pdfs. Most of the PDFs that I have looked at do not include who voted for what. Most just say passed or failed.

On Fougere's web pages she should provide proof of her voting record. Her having not done so, just make me suspicious. I have not been to Kelly's web page. I do not know if he is being as vague, but if he is, then that also is suspicious. 

I thought they recorded votes but in a quick check it appears as if that is spotty. 

I seem to recall that PK made a special point of stating that he voted against this during the public debates that were televised as part of HRM Council meetings when the debates about the Twisted Sisters (have they got a new name for them yet?) took place. I recall that it was also in print media. I don't have time to check up on this for you MacDuff but its out there, his original opposition to the project.

In fact, if this board goes back far enough, you can probably find comments from posters here that came in as they watched the meeting. I think it was shocking for people in a couple of ways, 1, that he didn't support the construction and 2, that he wanted to draw people's attention to the fact that he didn't support it on that night.

Maybe he has it on his website? 

[kp]

This is from the Herald's coverage of the council vote on the project on March 22, 2006:

"One opponent was Mayor Peter Kelly, who earlier this week flew back to Halifax from the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, Australia, to attend the council meeting.

In a rare public address to his council colleagues, the mayor said his interpretation of the municipal planning strategy compelled him to vote against the development.

"For me, this location has many (negative) implications under the MPS," Mr. Kelly said. "I cannot support this project."

And from the DN of the same date:

"While Saberi was successful in capturing the bulk of council, he could not sway Mayor Peter Kelly, who voted against the proposal, a move that surprised Saberi.

"We wish we had his support," Saberi said.

"I did not expect (Kelly) to do that."

Kelly told council he felt the proposal violated the Municipal Planning Strategy for the downtown.

"After all is said and done - and after all my interpretation of the MPS - I can not support their project and I'm voting against," he said."

Here is the vote tally:

VOTING BREAKDOWN

• YEAS (15) : Steve Streatch, District 1; David Hendsbee, District 3; Harry McInroy, District 4; Andrew Younger, District 6; Bill Karsten, District 7; Becky Kent, District 8; Jim Smith, District 9; Mary Wile, District 10; Sue Uteck, District 13; Shelia Fougere, District 14; Debbie Hum, District 16; Brad Johns, District 19; Bob Harvey, District 20; Len Goucher, District 21; Reg Rankin, District 22.

• NAYS (5) : Mayor Peter Kelly; Krista Snow, District 2; Gloria McCluskey, District 5; Pat Murphy, District 11; Dawn Sloane, District 12.

• ABSENT : Russell Walker, District 15; Linda Mosher, District 17; Steve Adams, District 18.

• INELIGIBLE : Gary Meade, District 23 (missed public hearing).

[MacDuff]

This is from the Herald's coverage of the council vote on the project on March 22, 2006:

"One opponent was Mayor Peter Kelly, who earlier this week flew back to Halifax from the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, Australia, to attend the council meeting.

In a rare public address to his council colleagues, the mayor said his interpretation of the municipal planning strategy compelled him to vote against the development.

"For me, this location has many (negative) implications under the MPS," Mr. Kelly said. "I cannot support this project."

And from the DN of the same date:

"While Saberi was successful in capturing the bulk of council, he could not sway Mayor Peter Kelly, who voted against the proposal, a move that surprised Saberi.

"We wish we had his support," Saberi said.

"I did not expect (Kelly) to do that."

Kelly told council he felt the proposal violated the Municipal Planning Strategy for the downtown.

"After all is said and done - and after all my interpretation of the MPS - I can not support their project and I'm voting against," he said."

Here is the vote tally:

VOTING BREAKDOWN

• YEAS (15) : Steve Streatch, District 1; David Hendsbee, District 3; Harry McInroy, District 4; Andrew Younger, District 6; Bill Karsten, District 7; Becky Kent, District 8; Jim Smith, District 9; Mary Wile, District 10; Sue Uteck, District 13; Shelia Fougere, District 14; Debbie Hum, District 16; Brad Johns, District 19; Bob Harvey, District 20; Len Goucher, District 21; Reg Rankin, District 22.

• NAYS (5) : Mayor Peter Kelly; Krista Snow, District 2; Gloria McCluskey, District 5; Pat Murphy, District 11; Dawn Sloane, District 12.

• ABSENT : Russell Walker, District 15; Linda Mosher, District 17; Steve Adams, District 18.

• INELIGIBLE : Gary Meade, District 23 (missed public hearing).

Thanks KP

I happen to agree with the Mayor on this one.